Comments on: Politics and Religion http://www.minthegap.com/2008/02/05/politics-and-religion/ Standing in the Gap in a Society that's Warring with God. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:20:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: MInTheGap http://www.minthegap.com/2008/02/05/politics-and-religion/#comment-79083 MInTheGap Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:54:58 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2008/02/05/politics-and-religion/#comment-79083 Point taken, Ray. I don't think that I'm any less black and white than the typical liberal, however-- we just disagree on what's black and what's white. We each see things and have to make judgment calls as to whether something is right or wrong-- for ourselves and for the country. Now, to your points: Jesus was a very compassionate person, one that healed the sick, raised the dead, and worked other miracles. He left in place a church that was supposed to continue His work, and yet He did not expect government to do this work. He expected His people to do it while they were testifying of the Good News-- that He was God, and that there is victory over sin in His name. Again, Jesus expected the church to do the good work, not the government-- which is what liberalism wants. Jesus expected His followers to do it out of love, not forced from them by taking it from their paycheck before they even see it. In fact, Jesus had little to say about government, other then rendering unto Caesar what was Caesars. When he had the chance to take over the government, He said that His kingdom was not of this world, and called people to do what was right, not the government. And, considering that Jesus was God-- the God of both the Old and New Testaments-- when He set up a government, He allowed for the poor to take from the fields, and provided ways to work off debt (as well as a seven year expiring time for that kind of debt)-- He actually used the fact that a king would come to take money as a reason that Israel should stay as a theocracy. As for the Founding Fathers, I find it hard to believe that a group of men that rebelled by throwing tea into the Boston Harbor, and fighting a revolution to keep government out of their lives would then turn around and give it the power to do all that liberals say that it should. In fact, the writing of the Constitution was supposed to limit government, not give it free reign to give out handouts wherever it wished. The government was viewed with contempt-- as a entity that takes away liberty. I'm sure they wouldn't have dreamed it would have gotten this large, have an income tax, etc. That's why they revolted in the first place. Thanks for the comment, Rev. Ray. It made me think through all of this. We all have passionate beliefs, and I'm sure that we can agree that it's wrong to mock those of faith because faith is part of the fabric of this country. Point taken, Ray. I don’t think that I’m any less black and white than the typical liberal, however– we just disagree on what’s black and what’s white. We each see things and have to make judgment calls as to whether something is right or wrong– for ourselves and for the country.

Now, to your points: Jesus was a very compassionate person, one that healed the sick, raised the dead, and worked other miracles. He left in place a church that was supposed to continue His work, and yet He did not expect government to do this work. He expected His people to do it while they were testifying of the Good News– that He was God, and that there is victory over sin in His name. Again, Jesus expected the church to do the good work, not the government– which is what liberalism wants. Jesus expected His followers to do it out of love, not forced from them by taking it from their paycheck before they even see it.

In fact, Jesus had little to say about government, other then rendering unto Caesar what was Caesars. When he had the chance to take over the government, He said that His kingdom was not of this world, and called people to do what was right, not the government. And, considering that Jesus was God– the God of both the Old and New Testaments– when He set up a government, He allowed for the poor to take from the fields, and provided ways to work off debt (as well as a seven year expiring time for that kind of debt)– He actually used the fact that a king would come to take money as a reason that Israel should stay as a theocracy.

As for the Founding Fathers, I find it hard to believe that a group of men that rebelled by throwing tea into the Boston Harbor, and fighting a revolution to keep government out of their lives would then turn around and give it the power to do all that liberals say that it should. In fact, the writing of the Constitution was supposed to limit government, not give it free reign to give out handouts wherever it wished. The government was viewed with contempt– as a entity that takes away liberty. I’m sure they wouldn’t have dreamed it would have gotten this large, have an income tax, etc. That’s why they revolted in the first place.

Thanks for the comment, Rev. Ray. It made me think through all of this. We all have passionate beliefs, and I’m sure that we can agree that it’s wrong to mock those of faith because faith is part of the fabric of this country.

]]> By: Ray Dubuque http://www.minthegap.com/2008/02/05/politics-and-religion/#comment-79076 Ray Dubuque Thu, 07 Feb 2008 00:50:22 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2008/02/05/politics-and-religion/#comment-79076 Mini, When you claim that "You see, liberals hold contempt for all things conservative or that have to deal with faith. And they prove this by consistently failing to understand America’s founding principles.", you demonstrate one of the weaknesses of "conservatives".  For Conservatives, everything has to be either black or white, good or evil,  Conservative or Liberal, Patriotic (by which they mean Republican) or unAmerican, etc.,  etc. Liberals know that the world is made up all kinds of colors, and even a whole range of grays between black and white. And they know that there's all kinds of Liberals (and even all kinds of Conservatives).   I have been a lifelong devout Christian for 70 years and a clergyman since I was 30. And I have been a LIBERAL all that time, knowing full well that my Lord, Jesus of Nazareth, was one of the great Liberal teachers of all time, which is why I have been authoring http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/ on the www for the past 12 years.Most African Americans were Republicans so long as they viewed the Republican party as the Liberal party that it was created to be under Abe Lincoln. But ever since the two parties switched philosophies (in the first half of the twentieth century) they have switched to the more liberal Democratic Party (just as the white bigots switched parties for the very same reason!)Now you would have to be an ignorant white racist to believe that all of these devout Christian liberal African Americans "liberals hold contempt for all things . . .  that have to deal with faith."As for your claim of LIBERALS " consistently failing to understand America’s founding principles",  I show in great detail at http://ChurchvState.org/ how Liberal most of  the founding fathers were and how Conservative authors can't even quote these fathers honestly and accurately.  Conservatives would hate most of these founding fathers who would clearly be Liberal Democrats in our time!Rev. Ray Dubuque Mini, When you claim that “You see, liberals hold contempt for all things conservative or that
have to deal with faith. And they prove this by consistently failing to
understand America’s founding principles.”, you demonstrate one of the weaknesses of “conservatives”.  For Conservatives, everything has to be either black or white, good or evil,  Conservative or Liberal, Patriotic (by which they mean Republican) or unAmerican, etc.,  etc. Liberals know that the world is made up all kinds of colors, and even a whole range of grays between black and white. And they know that there’s all kinds of Liberals (and even all kinds of Conservatives).   I have been a lifelong devout Christian for 70 years and a clergyman since I was 30. And I have been a LIBERAL all that time, knowing full well that my Lord, Jesus of Nazareth, was one of the great Liberal teachers of all time, which is why I have been authoring http://LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/ on the www for the past 12 years.Most African Americans were Republicans so long as they viewed the Republican party as the Liberal party that it was created to be under Abe Lincoln. But ever since the two parties switched philosophies (in the first half of the twentieth century) they have switched to the more liberal Democratic Party (just as the white bigots switched parties for the very same reason!)Now you would have to be an ignorant white racist to believe that all of these devout Christian liberal African Americans “liberals hold contempt for all things . . .  that
have to deal with faith.”As for your claim of LIBERALS ” consistently failing to
understand America’s founding principles”,  I show in great detail at http://ChurchvState.org/ how Liberal most of  the founding fathers were and how Conservative authors can’t even quote these fathers honestly and accurately.  Conservatives would hate most of these founding fathers who would clearly be Liberal Democrats in our time!Rev. Ray Dubuque

]]> By: MInTheGap http://www.minthegap.com/2008/02/05/politics-and-religion/#comment-79072 MInTheGap Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:20:48 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2008/02/05/politics-and-religion/#comment-79072 I can certainly understand that, Leticia. I'm not a Republican, so I don't vote in the primaries, but I definitely would not vote for McCain, and it would have been a toss up with Romney. I'm not too keen on any of these candidates, unfortunately. I can certainly understand that, Leticia. I’m not a Republican, so I don’t vote in the primaries, but I definitely would not vote for McCain, and it would have been a toss up with Romney. I’m not too keen on any of these candidates, unfortunately.

]]> By: Leticia http://www.minthegap.com/2008/02/05/politics-and-religion/#comment-79070 Leticia Wed, 06 Feb 2008 20:15:24 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2008/02/05/politics-and-religion/#comment-79070 And so my vote will continually be for Huckabee. I will vote on moral issues, it is too important. I want to live in a nation where the constitution will once again be embraced and honored. Our forefathers founded this country on biblical doctrine and therefore, is a part of this country, whether the liberals like it or not. And so my vote will continually be for Huckabee. I will vote on moral issues, it is too important. I want to live in a nation where the constitution will once again be embraced and honored.

Our forefathers founded this country on biblical doctrine and therefore, is a part of this country, whether the liberals like it or not.

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