Comments on: Who Would the Apostle Paul Vote For? http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/ Standing in the Gap in a Society that's Warring with God. Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:17:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Principled Discovery » Political discussion (and a resource for teaching) http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/comment-page-1/#comment-78998 Principled Discovery » Political discussion (and a resource for teaching) Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:50:57 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/#comment-78998 [...] MInTheGap says his vote is Huckabee’s to win, citing some of the same concerns I have had with him since the beginning. [...] [...] MInTheGap says his vote is Huckabee’s to win, citing some of the same concerns I have had with him since the beginning. [...]

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]]> By: Musicguy http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/comment-page-1/#comment-78839 Musicguy Fri, 04 Jan 2008 17:58:15 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/#comment-78839 Heck, I might even vote for Ron Paul!  From a 20/20 interview with John Stossel:   JS - Should gays be allowed to marry? RP - Sure. JS - The state says we believe in this... RP - Sure. They can do whatever they want and they can call it whatever they want; just so they don't expect to impose their relationship on someone else. They can't make me personally accept what they do; gay couples can do whatever they want. Watch it here: <A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz80H5Su8AA">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz80H5Su8AA</A> Heck, I might even vote for Ron Paul!  From a 20/20 interview with John Stossel:
 
JS – Should gays be allowed to marry? RP – Sure. JS – The state says we believe in this… RP – Sure. They can do whatever they want and they can call it whatever they want; just so they don’t expect to impose their relationship on someone else. They can’t make me personally accept what they do; gay couples can do whatever they want.
Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz80H5Su8AA

]]> By: Mrs. Meg Logan http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/comment-page-1/#comment-78837 Mrs. Meg Logan Thu, 03 Jan 2008 21:33:56 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/#comment-78837 MIN,There are signs all over around here. In fact a sign is how I learned that he was even in the running. Seems he is growing in popularity too, locally and in the circles I swim in on the internet.About if gay marriage is really a big problem, personally, I don't think so. The law doesn't legislate the telling of lies, but it does try to prevent murder, and, I think that is the right idea. If it is going to take away someone else's right to life and liberty, then it ought to be illegal, but if it is sin which really only affects those who participate willingly, well... how can we really legislate that?Mrs.Meg Logan MIN,There are signs all over around here. In fact a sign is how I learned that he was even in the running. Seems he is growing in popularity too, locally and in the circles I swim in on the internet.About if gay marriage is really a big problem, personally, I don’t think so. The law doesn’t legislate the telling of lies, but it does try to prevent murder, and, I think that is the right idea. If it is going to take away someone else’s right to life and liberty, then it ought to be illegal, but if it is sin which really only affects those who participate willingly, well… how can we really legislate that?Mrs.Meg Logan

]]> By: MInTheGap http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/comment-page-1/#comment-78835 MInTheGap Thu, 03 Jan 2008 14:27:29 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/#comment-78835 Kerri-- I think that Paul would no doubt see a lot of churches as a mission field all of their own, since he often started in synagogues. Mrs. Meg Logan, glad to see you back as well. There is actually a billboard for Ron Paul up in my area, which is strange because of how long it's been up compared to my state's primary date. Both of you touch on good points, though. Kerri-- how do you determine what God's qualifications are for President? Is gay marriage really a big problem or not? Kerri– I think that Paul would no doubt see a lot of churches as a mission field all of their own, since he often started in synagogues.

Mrs. Meg Logan, glad to see you back as well. There is actually a billboard for Ron Paul up in my area, which is strange because of how long it’s been up compared to my state’s primary date.

Both of you touch on good points, though. Kerri– how do you determine what God’s qualifications are for President? Is gay marriage really a big problem or not?

]]> By: Mrs. Meg Logan http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/comment-page-1/#comment-78832 Mrs. Meg Logan Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:53:09 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/#comment-78832 Yeah, I gotta say, at least in the primaries, I ABSOLUTELY vote my conscience... In this particular case I will be voting for Ron Paul... When it comes to the final election however, I do get torn all up about who to vote for. Now, Perot was before I was able to vote, however, I was old enough to be following along, and at that time I would have voted for him... I see lots of support for Ron Paul, and since I can agree with all but two of his stances (he inadvertently supports gay marriage, by saying the gov't ought to remain out of it, and I personally agree with the war, but I would be willing to move on from it in an honorable way if one could be found.)I am hopeful that I could see Ron Paul win the primary, but not in my state. It seems that he has lots of grassroots support, perhaps those people will actually vote! well anyway, I couldn't vote for Rudy, and I doubly couldn't vote for Hillary... if it came down to the two, I would write in Ron Paul, or not vote at all. Probably write in, because then they would total that, and perhaps there would be enough write ins to make a statement... Well anyway, nice to see you again MIN. Mrs. Meg Logan Yeah, I gotta say, at least in the primaries, I ABSOLUTELY vote my conscience… In this particular case I will be voting for Ron Paul…

When it comes to the final election however, I do get torn all up about who to vote for. Now, Perot was before I was able to vote, however, I was old enough to be following along, and at that time I would have voted for him…

I see lots of support for Ron Paul, and since I can agree with all but two of his stances (he inadvertently supports gay marriage, by saying the gov’t ought to remain out of it, and I personally agree with the war, but I would be willing to move on from it in an honorable way if one could be found.)I am hopeful that I could see Ron Paul win the primary, but not in my state. It seems that he has lots of grassroots support, perhaps those people will actually vote!

well anyway, I couldn’t vote for Rudy, and I doubly couldn’t vote for Hillary… if it came down to the two, I would write in Ron Paul, or not vote at all. Probably write in, because then they would total that, and perhaps there would be enough write ins to make a statement…

Well anyway, nice to see you again MIN.

Mrs. Meg Logan

]]> By: Kerri http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/comment-page-1/#comment-78830 Kerri Wed, 02 Jan 2008 17:53:53 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/#comment-78830 Hehehe, Paul would indeed have a fit with our churches of today. He endured beatings, stoning, shipwreck while serving the Lord and today a church is lucky if it can get 1/3 of its people back for Sun evening services, that is if the church hasn't just rolled over and quit having Sun eve and/or Wed eve services already. Sad! As far as the election, there is no way I will just support whoever the Republican party nominates unless that person lines up with what I believe ex: pro-life! I will write in the canidate I support if I have to. Right now that is Huckabee although I am in the listen and learn stage right now. I believe as a Christian I have a responsiblity to vote for the canidate that is closest to Bible values. It is up to God who wins. The Bible still says Dan 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his: 21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: Hehehe, Paul would indeed have a fit with our churches of today. He endured beatings, stoning, shipwreck while serving the Lord and today a church is lucky if it can get 1/3 of its people back for Sun evening services, that is if the church hasn’t just rolled over and quit having Sun eve and/or Wed eve services already. Sad!

As far as the election, there is no way I will just support whoever the Republican party nominates unless that person lines up with what I believe ex: pro-life! I will write in the canidate I support if I have to. Right now that is Huckabee although I am in the listen and learn stage right now.

I believe as a Christian I have a responsiblity to vote for the canidate that is closest to Bible values. It is up to God who wins. The Bible still says Dan 2:20 Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

]]> By: MInTheGap http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/comment-page-1/#comment-78816 MInTheGap Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:46:16 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/#comment-78816 The problem is that no one likes to lose, and people believe the stakes are high. Yes, Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot managed to get enough of the vote for people to begin to believe that it was possible to have a 3rd party, but there was always the rhetoric that Jess mentioned-- that the 3rd party guy is sucking votes from the more desirable of the top two guys. So, if I really don't want the Democrat, but I like the Independent, if enough people that agree with me vote my way, the Democrat is elected (regardless of how this effects the long term strategy). Now, there may be something to a long term strategy if votes could be swapped or you vote your conscience when there isn't a chance (for example, I'm a blue state conservative, so the republican will probably not win). I would still advocate for a disbanding of political parties-- that would be something that would make a big difference, but I'm sure people would find some other way to organize, and you'd also miss out on the labeling. People have spent way too long getting together in these parties that they are different from, but they've bound this way all centered around the electability question. The problem is that no one likes to lose, and people believe the stakes are high.

Yes, Pat Buchanan and Ross Perot managed to get enough of the vote for people to begin to believe that it was possible to have a 3rd party, but there was always the rhetoric that Jess mentioned– that the 3rd party guy is sucking votes from the more desirable of the top two guys.

So, if I really don’t want the Democrat, but I like the Independent, if enough people that agree with me vote my way, the Democrat is elected (regardless of how this effects the long term strategy).

Now, there may be something to a long term strategy if votes could be swapped or you vote your conscience when there isn’t a chance (for example, I’m a blue state conservative, so the republican will probably not win).

I would still advocate for a disbanding of political parties– that would be something that would make a big difference, but I’m sure people would find some other way to organize, and you’d also miss out on the labeling.

People have spent way too long getting together in these parties that they are different from, but they’ve bound this way all centered around the electability question.

]]> By: Loc http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/comment-page-1/#comment-78809 Loc Sat, 29 Dec 2007 20:25:18 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/#comment-78809 It still doesn't make sense to me. By voting for the most electible and not the one who agrees with you the most, you are assuring that the group that agrees with you the most will never get enough votes to rank in as electable. Everyone I have ever met has said 'well I don't completly agree with him, but if I vote for who I truly believe will be the best president the other side will win'. It seems if people just stopped thinking like this things would change and we would get canidates that we really wanted. Instead of just this lesser of two evils guys. Every vote counts, and every time you vote for who you want instead of who is most electable, you make who you want to be president more electable. *sigh* sorry if that was repetative and a little all over the place, but it is a hard idea to explain. It still doesn’t make sense to me. By voting for the most electible and not the one who agrees with you the most, you are assuring that the group that agrees with you the most will never get enough votes to rank in as electable.

Everyone I have ever met has said ‘well I don’t completly agree with him, but if I vote for who I truly believe will be the best president the other side will win’. It seems if people just stopped thinking like this things would change and we would get canidates that we really wanted. Instead of just this lesser of two evils guys.

Every vote counts, and every time you vote for who you want instead of who is most electable, you make who you want to be president more electable.

*sigh* sorry if that was repetative and a little all over the place, but it is a hard idea to explain.

]]> By: Jess @ Making Home http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/comment-page-1/#comment-78808 Jess @ Making Home Sat, 29 Dec 2007 19:39:30 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/12/27/who-would-the-apostle-paul-vote-for/#comment-78808 Additionally, Loc, voting for a third party candidacy will likely yield the person you LEAST want as President (ex: 1992- Perot voters who would have backed Bush1 went for Perot, so the election went to Clinton, with 40-something percent of the vote). I'd have to be pretty dadgum disenfranchised and COMPLETELY unable to stomach one of the two-party candidates before I'd turn to a third party guy. For example, I don't think I could vote Rudy. So at that point, if it's Rudy vs. Hillary, and then, for example, Ron Paul was running as a 3rd party guy, well then I'd have to seriously consider him, even though, like Min, I have some SERIOUS reservations about Paul's practicality in the real world of American executive politics. Additionally, Loc, voting for a third party candidacy will likely yield the person you LEAST want as President (ex: 1992- Perot voters who would have backed Bush1 went for Perot, so the election went to Clinton, with 40-something percent of the vote).

I’d have to be pretty dadgum disenfranchised and COMPLETELY unable to stomach one of the two-party candidates before I’d turn to a third party guy. For example, I don’t think I could vote Rudy. So at that point, if it’s Rudy vs. Hillary, and then, for example, Ron Paul was running as a 3rd party guy, well then I’d have to seriously consider him, even though, like Min, I have some SERIOUS reservations about Paul’s practicality in the real world of American executive politics.

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