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		<title>By: cjmybad</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 00:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad Christian behavior is the #1 reason people loose their faith -Does the excuse &quot;I&#039;m not perfect but I&#039;m forgiven&quot; give Christians the right to treat people badly?

I was brought up a Christian and attended church with my family. I started working with some Christians and trusted them.

They started to scheming and being deceptive in order to get what they wanted, justifying it the guise of &#039;just doing business&#039;. At first I prayed for help and strength to endure working with them, after a long time I finally decided to stand up to them, but by then it was too late. Again more lies and more praying – I started thinking that my prayers weren’t answered but she was asking for forgiveness and getting away with everything and I was being punished, maybe I wasn’t praying hard enough? The consequences of their actions were hurting me, my family and others and there was no remorse on their part. 

I started to read about forgiveness and then I got mad because in the bible it’s not your works or actions that count, it’s your faith that will ‘save you,’ so no matter how much damage they did to others they can still go to heaven, even if they don’t repent or make up for their actions. 

I decided then that I didn&#039;t want to be anywhere where they went for eternity. 

I started looking deeper into my beliefs, and now because of their being ‘witness to Christ&#039;s’ ways, we are now atheists and know we need to believe in ourselves and doing right to people here on earth and not worry about after we are dead and buried. 

They can go on believing their bad behavior ‘that never happened – it’s been forgiven’ while they continue to their conniving, deceitful, immoral ways - still hurting other people.

Now we are happily atheist, and they go to church every week to sing in the choir and gossip and look good to their &#039;church family.&#039;</description>
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Bad Christian behavior is the #1 reason people loose their faith -Does the excuse &#8220;I&#8217;m not perfect but I&#8217;m forgiven&#8221; give Christians the right to treat people badly?</p>
<p>I was brought up a Christian and attended church with my family. I started working with some Christians and trusted them.</p>
<p>They started to scheming and being deceptive in order to get what they wanted, justifying it the guise of &#8216;just doing business&#8217;. At first I prayed for help and strength to endure working with them, after a long time I finally decided to stand up to them, but by then it was too late. Again more lies and more praying – I started thinking that my prayers weren’t answered but she was asking for forgiveness and getting away with everything and I was being punished, maybe I wasn’t praying hard enough? The consequences of their actions were hurting me, my family and others and there was no remorse on their part. </p>
<p>I started to read about forgiveness and then I got mad because in the bible it’s not your works or actions that count, it’s your faith that will ‘save you,’ so no matter how much damage they did to others they can still go to heaven, even if they don’t repent or make up for their actions. </p>
<p>I decided then that I didn&#8217;t want to be anywhere where they went for eternity. </p>
<p>I started looking deeper into my beliefs, and now because of their being ‘witness to Christ&#8217;s’ ways, we are now atheists and know we need to believe in ourselves and doing right to people here on earth and not worry about after we are dead and buried. </p>
<p>They can go on believing their bad behavior ‘that never happened – it’s been forgiven’ while they continue to their conniving, deceitful, immoral ways &#8211; still hurting other people.</p>
<p>Now we are happily atheist, and they go to church every week to sing in the choir and gossip and look good to their &#8216;church family.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Waters family man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Waters family man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 08:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a biologist with advanced degrees in the field from a state university, I&#039;m inclined to agree with Jim Hinds. Science is not the root cause of this problem.  

I tend to believe our root cause is the numbing of our culture&#039;s sensitivity to immorality.  If it feels good do it. Don&#039;t let &quot;the man&quot; (insert Church, Jesus, Mom, Dad, random authority figure, etc. in there for the man) tell you what to do.  That&#039;s not to say that there aren&#039;t people out there in our school systems actively trying to teach our children at ages 12-16 that athiesm, immorality, and incivility are the norm in our country and those of us who think otherwise are throwbacks or worse.  There are those people out there.

My daugter has a teacher like that this year (she is 16). Some of the things this public employee spits out are just downright inciteful. He focuses his diatribe on her and even belittles her to the class because she stands up for her Christian beliefs in debates. Some of the anti-Christian &quot;research assignments&quot; he sends home for just her to do are just Amazing.</description>
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As a biologist with advanced degrees in the field from a state university, I&#8217;m inclined to agree with Jim Hinds. Science is not the root cause of this problem.  </p>
<p>I tend to believe our root cause is the numbing of our culture&#8217;s sensitivity to immorality.  If it feels good do it. Don&#8217;t let &#8220;the man&#8221; (insert Church, Jesus, Mom, Dad, random authority figure, etc. in there for the man) tell you what to do.  That&#8217;s not to say that there aren&#8217;t people out there in our school systems actively trying to teach our children at ages 12-16 that athiesm, immorality, and incivility are the norm in our country and those of us who think otherwise are throwbacks or worse.  There are those people out there.</p>
<p>My daugter has a teacher like that this year (she is 16). Some of the things this public employee spits out are just downright inciteful. He focuses his diatribe on her and even belittles her to the class because she stands up for her Christian beliefs in debates. Some of the anti-Christian &#8220;research assignments&#8221; he sends home for just her to do are just Amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;for the things of the Spirit of God require spiritual discernment and are quite foolish to those who are perishing&quot;.  The filter by which God the Father permits us to know or understand him is from the inside - out and not from the outside - in, i.e., the limitations of the five physical senses; although, given to us to understand and explore our physical world but unable to comprehend that world which is not seen.  This &#039;enablement&#039; is freely available to those who actually believe on Him who the Father has sent (the Christ).  
God chooses whom he will save as I chose the friends I keep and he, God, was under no obligation to chose anyone because of sin. For scientific proof of sin, leave your car unlocked and the keys in it - my hypothesis is that it will be stolen and that experiment can he duplicated again and again.  The ? is, why do people steal stuff? Ans = Sin.  
God gave me the gracious  and free gift of faith that enables me, a natural God hater, to believe he is.  I received a new nature and that new Spirit nature is tuned to radio God.  With some training I hear better every day.  I realise this; I cannot believe in creation, or the truth of the Crucifixion without the measure of &#039;faith&#039; that my Heavenly father dished out to me, in the first place.  Therefore, trying to understand God with a sinful nature and a mind tuned to God&#039;s adversary won&#039;t cut it.  I see the responces of those folks who have adjusted their antenna to radio Satan and the result is: they just can&#039;t help either - not being able to believe in the Lord or they hate Him and usually, with a strange passion.  That&#039;s ok, but try seeking him out, he wants to be found by you.  Sorry I rambled on, but it&#039;s late here.  &quot;Seek and you will find, knock and the door will be flung open for you&quot;.</description>
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&#8220;for the things of the Spirit of God require spiritual discernment and are quite foolish to those who are perishing&#8221;.  The filter by which God the Father permits us to know or understand him is from the inside &#8211; out and not from the outside &#8211; in, i.e., the limitations of the five physical senses; although, given to us to understand and explore our physical world but unable to comprehend that world which is not seen.  This &#8216;enablement&#8217; is freely available to those who actually believe on Him who the Father has sent (the Christ).<br />
God chooses whom he will save as I chose the friends I keep and he, God, was under no obligation to chose anyone because of sin. For scientific proof of sin, leave your car unlocked and the keys in it &#8211; my hypothesis is that it will be stolen and that experiment can he duplicated again and again.  The ? is, why do people steal stuff? Ans = Sin.<br />
God gave me the gracious  and free gift of faith that enables me, a natural God hater, to believe he is.  I received a new nature and that new Spirit nature is tuned to radio God.  With some training I hear better every day.  I realise this; I cannot believe in creation, or the truth of the Crucifixion without the measure of &#8216;faith&#8217; that my Heavenly father dished out to me, in the first place.  Therefore, trying to understand God with a sinful nature and a mind tuned to God&#8217;s adversary won&#8217;t cut it.  I see the responces of those folks who have adjusted their antenna to radio Satan and the result is: they just can&#8217;t help either &#8211; not being able to believe in the Lord or they hate Him and usually, with a strange passion.  That&#8217;s ok, but try seeking him out, he wants to be found by you.  Sorry I rambled on, but it&#8217;s late here.  &#8220;Seek and you will find, knock and the door will be flung open for you&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: onein6billion</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;the problem is that evolution is not an inarguable fact&quot;

I disagree with your opinion.  And it&#039;s clear that you are not qualified to have any opinion at all.</description>
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&#8220;the problem is that evolution is not an inarguable fact&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree with your opinion.  And it&#8217;s clear that you are not qualified to have any opinion at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Addy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lost my faith because Christians are such hateful people.&#160; I only went to Christian college, and I attended all the institutes conferences on creation.&#160; I even went to see Ham when he was still associated with the Morris&#039;.But sooner or later, I began to question whether people could really live holy, loving lives as demanded by the teaching of Jesus.&#160; I noticed that the Christians I associated with (and I was a youth minister) spent most of their time beating up everyone else and living as hatefully as possible.So I began to ask whether the blood of Christ really had all the power they said it did.&#160; If they were powerless and so scared of everyone else that they always had to be attacking others instead of living their own pure life....then the blood must have no power.If the blood doesn&#039;t have any power to change, then it never changed me.If I am not changed, then I have been duped by a system built on fear and hatred.I do not want to hate nor fear...so now I am a pagan.And it all started at a fundamentalist church.&#160; Go figure.</description>
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I lost my faith because Christians are such hateful people.&nbsp; I only went to Christian college, and I attended all the institutes conferences on creation.&nbsp; I even went to see Ham when he was still associated with the Morris&#8217;.But sooner or later, I began to question whether people could really live holy, loving lives as demanded by the teaching of Jesus.&nbsp; I noticed that the Christians I associated with (and I was a youth minister) spent most of their time beating up everyone else and living as hatefully as possible.So I began to ask whether the blood of Christ really had all the power they said it did.&nbsp; If they were powerless and so scared of everyone else that they always had to be attacking others instead of living their own pure life&#8230;.then the blood must have no power.If the blood doesn&#8217;t have any power to change, then it never changed me.If I am not changed, then I have been duped by a system built on fear and hatred.I do not want to hate nor fear&#8230;so now I am a pagan.And it all started at a fundamentalist church.&nbsp; Go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: darrell mintor</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evolution didn&#039;t play one part of my deconversion from christianity.&#160; The lies of the bible did.&#160; </description>
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Evolution didn&#8217;t play one part of my deconversion from christianity.&nbsp; The lies of the bible did.&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll try to answer your question, Lori. There are two parts to it.One, some people temporarily &quot;lose their faith&quot; when something happens to them and they blame God. They are still believers, because they blame the God they had faith in and he let them down.Two, others de-convert when they realize that to stay in the faith they must abandon rational thought and deny reality. Usually this isn&#039;t brought about by a crisis in their life, but by discovering that the Bible is not inerrant by any means. Most historical and natural explanations in the book are not corroborated by any outside source, and much Bible information is refuted by independent historians and scientists.Hope that helps you understand.</description>
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I&#8217;ll try to answer your question, Lori. There are two parts to it.One, some people temporarily &#8220;lose their faith&#8221; when something happens to them and they blame God. They are still believers, because they blame the God they had faith in and he let them down.Two, others de-convert when they realize that to stay in the faith they must abandon rational thought and deny reality. Usually this isn&#8217;t brought about by a crisis in their life, but by discovering that the Bible is not inerrant by any means. Most historical and natural explanations in the book are not corroborated by any outside source, and much Bible information is refuted by independent historians and scientists.Hope that helps you understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think evolution is only one component of thinking one&#039;s way to de-conversion. I, myself, tried desperately to make scientific facts fit my certainty of the creation story. While studying the Bible through books and classroom, I realized the many inconsistencies that precluded taking the book literally. It is honest study of the book solely for personal edification, not to further a vested interest in a religious career or a comfortable belief system, that opens the eyes.Besides internal conflicts and mistakes, the Bible is at odds with history, science and observable reality. How long did True Christians think the world was flat? How long did they think it was their duty to torture and kill &quot;heretics?&quot; How long did they attribute mental illness to &quot;demons?&quot; How long will they hang on to Creationism?Besides the errors that became apparent in the Bible, I saw life in my congregation proceed as normal random events, with prayer having no effect whatsoever. People get sick, they get well or they die. People get jobs, lose jobs, etc. How long has the religious world been praying for peace? Any results yet? That&#039;s what I thought.When told up front that this book is the inerrant Word of God and you accept it, then you filter everything you know to fit that holy book. If you approached the Bible as you would study the Koran you could be more objective. After all, the Koran represents a false religion, while yours is the only true one. The only proof for that is that the Bible declares itself to be the only true word. The Bible all by itself, when looked at as a whole and not selectively read, will de-convert any thinking and honest person. It is hard to give up a long held belief, but facts are facts and eventually we must deal with reality.</description>
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I think evolution is only one component of thinking one&#8217;s way to de-conversion. I, myself, tried desperately to make scientific facts fit my certainty of the creation story. While studying the Bible through books and classroom, I realized the many inconsistencies that precluded taking the book literally. It is honest study of the book solely for personal edification, not to further a vested interest in a religious career or a comfortable belief system, that opens the eyes.Besides internal conflicts and mistakes, the Bible is at odds with history, science and observable reality. How long did True Christians think the world was flat? How long did they think it was their duty to torture and kill &#8220;heretics?&#8221; How long did they attribute mental illness to &#8220;demons?&#8221; How long will they hang on to Creationism?Besides the errors that became apparent in the Bible, I saw life in my congregation proceed as normal random events, with prayer having no effect whatsoever. People get sick, they get well or they die. People get jobs, lose jobs, etc. How long has the religious world been praying for peace? Any results yet? That&#8217;s what I thought.When told up front that this book is the inerrant Word of God and you accept it, then you filter everything you know to fit that holy book. If you approached the Bible as you would study the Koran you could be more objective. After all, the Koran represents a false religion, while yours is the only true one. The only proof for that is that the Bible declares itself to be the only true word. The Bible all by itself, when looked at as a whole and not selectively read, will de-convert any thinking and honest person. It is hard to give up a long held belief, but facts are facts and eventually we must deal with reality.</p>
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		<title>By: God on Trial : MInTheGap</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 05:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so confused. What is meant exactly by the term &quot;lose their faith?&quot; That these students stopped believing in the sacrifice that Jesus made for the sins of the world? Or that they once were saved by grace and now they are not? Did they lose their salvation or did they never have it? Did they misplace their faith the way I misplace my car keys? Could they suddenly find it again? What happens if they die while this &quot;faith&quot; that they once had is lost?
As I said, I&#039;m confused by the terminology here. I&#039;m not being sarcastic, but sincerely trying to understand.</description>
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I&#8217;m so confused. What is meant exactly by the term &#8220;lose their faith?&#8221; That these students stopped believing in the sacrifice that Jesus made for the sins of the world? Or that they once were saved by grace and now they are not? Did they lose their salvation or did they never have it? Did they misplace their faith the way I misplace my car keys? Could they suddenly find it again? What happens if they die while this &#8220;faith&#8221; that they once had is lost?<br />
As I said, I&#8217;m confused by the terminology here. I&#8217;m not being sarcastic, but sincerely trying to understand.</p>
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