Comments on: Number One Reason Christians Lose Their Faith

By: onein6billion

onein6billion — Sat, 14 Jun 2008 03:24:19 +0000

“the problem is that evolution is not an inarguable fact”

I disagree with your opinion. And it’s clear that you are not qualified to have any opinion at all.

By: Addy

Addy — Sun, 17 Feb 2008 00:06:31 +0000

I lost my faith because Christians are such hateful people. I only went to Christian college, and I attended all the institutes conferences on creation. I even went to see Ham when he was still associated with the Morris’.But sooner or later, I began to question whether people could really live holy, loving lives as demanded by the teaching of Jesus. I noticed that the Christians I associated with (and I was a youth minister) spent most of their time beating up everyone else and living as hatefully as possible.So I began to ask whether the blood of Christ really had all the power they said it did. If they were powerless and so scared of everyone else that they always had to be attacking others instead of living their own pure life….then the blood must have no power.If the blood doesn’t have any power to change, then it never changed me.If I am not changed, then I have been duped by a system built on fear and hatred.I do not want to hate nor fear…so now I am a pagan.And it all started at a fundamentalist church. Go figure.

By: darrell mintor

darrell mintor — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:23:19 +0000

Evolution didn’t play one part of my deconversion from christianity. The lies of the bible did.

By: Chris

Chris — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:39:04 +0000

I’ll try to answer your question, Lori. There are two parts to it.One, some people temporarily “lose their faith” when something happens to them and they blame God. They are still believers, because they blame the God they had faith in and he let them down.Two, others de-convert when they realize that to stay in the faith they must abandon rational thought and deny reality. Usually this isn’t brought about by a crisis in their life, but by discovering that the Bible is not inerrant by any means. Most historical and natural explanations in the book are not corroborated by any outside source, and much Bible information is refuted by independent historians and scientists.Hope that helps you understand.

By: Chris

Chris — Wed, 13 Feb 2008 14:39:30 +0000

I think evolution is only one component of thinking one’s way to de-conversion. I, myself, tried desperately to make scientific facts fit my certainty of the creation story. While studying the Bible through books and classroom, I realized the many inconsistencies that precluded taking the book literally. It is honest study of the book solely for personal edification, not to further a vested interest in a religious career or a comfortable belief system, that opens the eyes.Besides internal conflicts and mistakes, the Bible is at odds with history, science and observable reality. How long did True Christians think the world was flat? How long did they think it was their duty to torture and kill “heretics?” How long did they attribute mental illness to “demons?” How long will they hang on to Creationism?Besides the errors that became apparent in the Bible, I saw life in my congregation proceed as normal random events, with prayer having no effect whatsoever. People get sick, they get well or they die. People get jobs, lose jobs, etc. How long has the religious world been praying for peace? Any results yet? That’s what I thought.When told up front that this book is the inerrant Word of God and you accept it, then you filter everything you know to fit that holy book. If you approached the Bible as you would study the Koran you could be more objective. After all, the Koran represents a false religion, while yours is the only true one. The only proof for that is that the Bible declares itself to be the only true word. The Bible all by itself, when looked at as a whole and not selectively read, will de-convert any thinking and honest person. It is hard to give up a long held belief, but facts are facts and eventually we must deal with reality.

By: God on Trial : MInTheGap

God on Trial : MInTheGap — Mon, 07 Jan 2008 18:01:35 +0000

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By: Lori

Lori — Tue, 01 Jan 2008 05:09:05 +0000

I’m so confused. What is meant exactly by the term “lose their faith?” That these students stopped believing in the sacrifice that Jesus made for the sins of the world? Or that they once were saved by grace and now they are not? Did they lose their salvation or did they never have it? Did they misplace their faith the way I misplace my car keys? Could they suddenly find it again? What happens if they die while this “faith” that they once had is lost?
As I said, I’m confused by the terminology here. I’m not being sarcastic, but sincerely trying to understand.

By: Steve

Steve — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 11:43:01 +0000

Tom,

I don’t think you read my post closely. My point was that when I left Christianity, the concept of evolution was not even on my mind. I just wanted to dispell that notion right at the start. I left because of what I read in the Bible. The god portrayed in the Bible is a sadistic, cruel, hate filled being. The closest I can compare the personality of the Bible god is that of a spoiled child with arrested developement and one in which I would never want to be associated with.

When I read in the old testament of the times from places like the books of Numbers, the book of Joshua, and all through the places where the Bible god told the children of Isreal to go and kill every man woman and child. Ah..there is a word for that…GENOCIDE. In the New Testament, a cruel God who would require the cruel death of His supposed SON. To me any god who could hold the universe together by his mere words and create man and yet tell the frail human race that they must accept him or go to hell….that is not a choice…that is extortion. That is even more cruel than something the Mafia might give a person. IF such a god is truely all powerful, and, for the sake of arguement, events took place before the earth was where Lucifer fell and becaome satan and he did take 1/3rd of the angels of Heaven with him, then…the question is WHY NOT SIMPLY SPEAK SIN OUT OF EXISTENCE? Also, why put Job through what he went through…but seemingly a cruel form of amusement for such a cruel God and his nemisis? It also leads to the question of, why would such a cruel God allow suffering of so many people. DO NOT USE SIN….IF such a God is real, and will not simply take the sin away by speaking it away…he is less than all powerful and if you say there would be no freedom of choice…I say BULL…then the Bible God is a myth and an excuse because IF he would be real, he could take away sin by speaking it away and by not, he has thus been proven a cruel, sadistic, being who takes pleasure in the suffering of man. I repeat again from my first post. In most western countries where there is the Judeo/Christian foundation of law, and you happen to see a train wreck, much as supposedly the Bible god did see though foreknowledge with man rejecting him and Satan and the angels of heaven and did nothing to stop such a train wreck, there is a term for that in law. It is called CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE. Basically, if you see a crime about to happen and there is a reasonable possibility within your power to stop it and do not…that is criminal negligence. Thus, the God of the Bible who would allow Sin to happen and do nothing to stop it beforehand is criminally negligent and what is worse, he punishes man for his failure. I want NO PART with a crule sadistic being like that. I don’t mean to sound angry, but that is the way the Bible hit me when I examined the nature of the god of the Bible. I mean no offense toward anyone on here who is a Christian.

By: Tom

Tom — Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:34:55 +0000

My religion is Christianity, I believe that Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior. He has always been there for me and i have no doubt that he will be there for me in the future.

Your next point stated that the definition of atheism is that it is not a religion. If you believe that with all your heart and mind, you are in fact involved in a religion.

Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: \ri-ˈli-jən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Anglo-French religiun, Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back — more at rely
Date: 13th century
1 a: the state of a religious b (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2: a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
— re·li·gion·less adjective

That is directly from the webster website. You can tell me that you dont have a religion all you want, but your Believe that there is not a God is in fact a belief that you hold to be true. therefore, you are in a religion. Even is you hold the belief that there is nothing past earth, you still believe in something. and that my friend as defined by the fourth entry on the webster dictionary as a religion.

I know that macro evolution cant be proven, and God can not be scientifically proven either. That just means as much as you want to disprove God, you cant because you actualy have nothing solid to back your arguement.

Check this website out, it kinda makes the story simple. http://thelordsmountain.wordpr.....beginning/
If you believe that everything happend just by chance all at the same time, you are crazy. I dont see how it all happend like evolution says it did just by chance.

I can not prove God. I wish i could but i cant. All i have to go on is faith. so if you can prove your belief, and i cant prove mine, what makes me feel that mine is correct. I think that throughout history, the bible has been pretty acurate. Actually it has not been proven wrong yet. go to http://100prophecies.org/ . it has a nice list of fullfilled prophecies.

I really enjoy debating about this with you. You may email me, tkdwn_42@hotmail.com if you wish to do so and we can talk more and i wont feel guilty bout filling up the page. lol.

By: Berlzebub

Berlzebub — Fri, 28 Dec 2007 21:32:09 +0000

Tom, It's the holidays, so I doubt many will respond to you soon, but here goes my take. I find it very interesting that you do not believe in the various other options available to you. However, that is beside the point. Saying that atheism is a religion is like saying not collecting stamps is a hobby. By definition, atheism is not a religion. religion: 1 a: the state of a religious b: (1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2): commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance Of course you aren't going to prove evolution in a "test". However, there have been several examples of supporting evidence. (See here, here, here, and here.) And please tell me what flaws evolution has? You're right, that your argument doesn't convince me, or most other atheists. Not a single argument that you've given is anything that I haven't heard before. Oh, and I would also like to see God proven in a scientific test. That would be very interesting to see.