No problem. I just wish I had thought of it 40 comments ago. Also would have been nice if our host here bothered to check it out…

“You have to admit that alot of homosexuals purposely flaunt their homosexauality to get reactions.”

Honestly, I need you to clarify this. If you mean holding hands or kissing in public, I’m going to tell you to get over it, as a vast majority of straight couples do the same thing. You’ll have to point out some specifics that are different from what the straight population does.

“From my viewpoint it is not Christians trying to push religion into all things secular. It is homosexuals and liberals trying to dismiss Christianity altogether.”

Yes and no. You can have your beliefs, whatever those may be: christian, muslim, scientology, hindu, and those who worship Cher as the goddess of the universe or the big meatball in the sky. However, I resent any laws being passed that are based on any one religious sect or belief. I am not a Christian, muslims are not christians, etc, etc, and we should not be held to your biblical world view. Just as you would not be thrilled with laws passed that reflect Cher as the goddess of the universe, that’s where the “nasty” liberals are coming from. In the public domain (seperate from churches) I should not be discriminated against simply because of who I am, and you shouldn’t either, by the way.

So yes, there is a push to remove all things religious from the secular world, not just christian.

“I think the national bills congress has tried to pass about hate speech and affirmative action more or less for homosexuals clouded my view.”

Again, dear, go read the actual laws in question. Don’t rely on Wingnut Daily and other terribly slanted “news sources” for your information. The laws being considered in the US are much different than the ones in Europe that actually block teaching from the pulpit.

Your comment was great until the sarcasm at the end about Christians chastising. Your the one chastising me right now for being Christian with your sarcasm and comparing Christianity with Greek mythology. From my viewpoint it is not Christians trying to push religion into all things secular. It is homosexuals and liberals trying to dismiss Christianity altogether. Why is it o.k. to teach about homosexaulity as being o.k. and to teach that Christianity is not o.k. You have to admit that alot of homosexuals purposely flaunt their homosexauality to get reactions.

Thank you for the debate.

The law states: No person shall be subjected to discrimination on the basis of disability, gender, nationality, race or ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, or any other characteristic that is contained in the definition of hate crimes set forth in Section 422.55 of the Penal Code in any program or activity conducted by an educational institution that receives, or benefits from, state financial assistance or enrolls pupils who receive state student financial aid.

Now if we take it as it is, there’s nothing that says a student can’t spout off the whole “homosexuality is a sin” rhetoric. Now if that rhetoric resulted in the GLBT student being denied access to something within that school, then there’d be an issue.

The law doesn’t mention anything about limiting free speech, it’s designed to prevent DISCRIMINATION based on quite a few variables, one of which is sexual orientation. xtians can still feel free to chastise and verbally abuse. Isn’t that wonderful news??????????

“I can’t speak for radical Christians. I don’t hold their beliefs. The same as I would guess you are not a radical homosexual purposefully displaying your homosexuality with intent of some kind to offend someone. But I’ve seen that plenty of times.”

I’d love to hear about this.

“I can’t speak for radical Christians. I don’t hold their beliefs. ”

Yes, and you need to realize that for many people, even moderate Christian beliefs are considered radical!!!! It would be like someone trying to pass laws and morality based on Greek methology. You’d not be the least bit pleased with that.

Melissa, no one is saying we shouldn’t tolerate christians. just stop trying to push your religion into all things secular!

The double standard is also that the definition of harassment seems to be very wide. Simply stating I believe homosexuality is a sin is not harassment. I might agree if a Christian made rude comments or told someone they are going to hell that could be harassment. If stating a belief is harassment, then so is a homosexual student or teacher who says homosexuality is not a sin and that the Bible is folklore. That insults me and offends me and is harassment too then. At some point people need to use common sense and see the difference between outright hatred acts and the right to believe and have free speech. Vast majority of Christians are the latter.

I can’t speak for radical Christians. I don’t hold their beliefs. The same as I would guess you are not a radical homosexual purposefully displaying your homosexuality with intent of some kind to offend someone. But I’ve seen that plenty of times.

There are just as many rude jokes and comment in the workplace about Christians as there are about homosexuals. Why should homosexuals be protected more than others? Maybe Christians don’t complain as much and forgive the grievances because they are secure in their beliefs and identities and their relationship with God.

I’m so tired of the double-standard that Christians must tolerate everything but nobody should tolerate Christians.

It is all in the details I suppose but I did not see any verbage that required the subset of Christians that believe homosexuality to be a sin, to renounce their beliefs.

Looked more like a “love thy neighbor” message but in lawyer speak.