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	<title>Comments on: Please Post - Chapter 3</title>
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	<description>Standing in the Gap in a Society that's Warring with God.</description>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.minthegap.com/2007/09/13/please-post-chapter-3/comment-page-1/#comment-76249</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I salute your wife for discussing something so against the grain of both modern Christianity and modern culture.  I think this is a little examined and devastating part of the new social plan.  It's counter-scripture in nature and anti-scripture in motive.  What's the greatest reason why the world today waits to get married?  Because they don't want to upset their career paths or earnings potential.  The same reason is quoted as the reason why couples wait until later in life to have children and again as the reason why they limit the number of children they have to a maximum of 3.

The mentality is so invasive of modern thought that many churches even advise against early marriage or early children-rearing or even prolific child-rearing.

Afterall, you can't afford 1000 sq ft per member of the household, three SUVs (one's a spare) , a large LCD tv with surround sound, a cable package as big as God's (or in this case maybe it's more like the size of satan's), cell phone (only the newest most over-priced model will do), two house lines, high speed internet access, the latest computer, maximum health benefits, with dental and vision of course, an elaborate, two week getaway to an exotic and overpriced island or cruiseline yearly, a dog (and the medical bills that go along with treating it like a human), dog grooming, a cat or two, a riding lawnmower, or better yet, a lawn service, an in-ground pool, a new hobbie every 6 months, a new wardrobe from JC Penny or JOS Bank every 6 months, dry cleaning, a maid, a manicure, pedicure, hairstyling, hairdying, hair replacement therapy, therapy, prescription psycotropics, organic food, a laptop for when you're not at home, student loans for an over-priced and unnecessary mis-education in a field other than the one you currently work in, SIRIUS satellite radion, an MP3 player with 120 GB storage (even though you only use 8,) alcohol, cigarettes, the patch, birth control and the occasional abortion, if you have more than two children!

Sorry for those of you who actually read that list; sometimes its fun to point out the futility of modern culture.  I mean, people complain about the tithe, but then they go out of their way and make more and more money just to give it all the the god of this world!  Go figure!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I salute your wife for discussing something so against the grain of both modern Christianity and modern culture.  I think this is a little examined and devastating part of the new social plan.  It&#8217;s counter-scripture in nature and anti-scripture in motive.  What&#8217;s the greatest reason why the world today waits to get married?  Because they don&#8217;t want to upset their career paths or earnings potential.  The same reason is quoted as the reason why couples wait until later in life to have children and again as the reason why they limit the number of children they have to a maximum of 3.</p>
<p>The mentality is so invasive of modern thought that many churches even advise against early marriage or early children-rearing or even prolific child-rearing.</p>
<p>Afterall, you can&#8217;t afford 1000 sq ft per member of the household, three SUVs (one&#8217;s a spare) , a large LCD tv with surround sound, a cable package as big as God&#8217;s (or in this case maybe it&#8217;s more like the size of satan&#8217;s), cell phone (only the newest most over-priced model will do), two house lines, high speed internet access, the latest computer, maximum health benefits, with dental and vision of course, an elaborate, two week getaway to an exotic and overpriced island or cruiseline yearly, a dog (and the medical bills that go along with treating it like a human), dog grooming, a cat or two, a riding lawnmower, or better yet, a lawn service, an in-ground pool, a new hobbie every 6 months, a new wardrobe from JC Penny or JOS Bank every 6 months, dry cleaning, a maid, a manicure, pedicure, hairstyling, hairdying, hair replacement therapy, therapy, prescription psycotropics, organic food, a laptop for when you&#8217;re not at home, student loans for an over-priced and unnecessary mis-education in a field other than the one you currently work in, SIRIUS satellite radion, an MP3 player with 120 GB storage (even though you only use 8,) alcohol, cigarettes, the patch, birth control and the occasional abortion, if you have more than two children!</p>
<p>Sorry for those of you who actually read that list; sometimes its fun to point out the futility of modern culture.  I mean, people complain about the tithe, but then they go out of their way and make more and more money just to give it all the the god of this world!  Go figure!</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.minthegap.com/2007/09/13/please-post-chapter-3/comment-page-1/#comment-76246</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 03:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Teens?" No. They shouldn't be having children, simply because they are not mature enough to be married, much less to raise a child. Maturity is the issue; not physical age. And in some respects this comes to the normalization of "teenager" or "adolescent" as a stage of life. This stage didn't exist until about one hundred years ago...and it doesn't exist in Scripture. God only defines two stages: child and adult. A child is expected to be doing the things necessary to make the transition to adulthood...as opposed to spending his life playing and going to school with peers, only to see lack of responsibility creep well into the twenties for many young adults. I know families who have been very intentional about raising their children into mature adults, and these young people are more than ready and more than capable of marriage and child-rearing in their late teens...in fact, they are more prepared than many who are much, much older!!!

I agree wholeheartedly about family involvement and teen sex rates. If the family isn't behind the young person, he's not going to think twice about it. If they are, they have probably given him good, Biblical reasons for purity and they have (hopefully) discouraged the "recreational dating" scene. Both of those things simplify the ability to remain pure until marriage. 

Charley
&lt;a href="http://www.homedisciplingdad.blogspot.com"&gt;HomeDiscipling Dad Blog&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Teens?&#8221; No. They shouldn&#8217;t be having children, simply because they are not mature enough to be married, much less to raise a child. Maturity is the issue; not physical age. And in some respects this comes to the normalization of &#8220;teenager&#8221; or &#8220;adolescent&#8221; as a stage of life. This stage didn&#8217;t exist until about one hundred years ago&#8230;and it doesn&#8217;t exist in Scripture. God only defines two stages: child and adult. A child is expected to be doing the things necessary to make the transition to adulthood&#8230;as opposed to spending his life playing and going to school with peers, only to see lack of responsibility creep well into the twenties for many young adults. I know families who have been very intentional about raising their children into mature adults, and these young people are more than ready and more than capable of marriage and child-rearing in their late teens&#8230;in fact, they are more prepared than many who are much, much older!!!</p>
<p>I agree wholeheartedly about family involvement and teen sex rates. If the family isn&#8217;t behind the young person, he&#8217;s not going to think twice about it. If they are, they have probably given him good, Biblical reasons for purity and they have (hopefully) discouraged the &#8220;recreational dating&#8221; scene. Both of those things simplify the ability to remain pure until marriage. </p>
<p>Charley<br />
<a href="http://www.homedisciplingdad.blogspot.com">HomeDiscipling Dad Blog</a></p>
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		<title>By: MInTheGap</title>
		<link>http://www.minthegap.com/2007/09/13/please-post-chapter-3/comment-page-1/#comment-76230</link>
		<dc:creator>MInTheGap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last part is something my wife has said-- I mean, I believe that we think that Mary might have been 14 when she had Jesus or at least was getting married.

But should teens really have children?  Do we run into problems when girls aren't fully developed?

Definitely things to think about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last part is something my wife has said&#8211; I mean, I believe that we think that Mary might have been 14 when she had Jesus or at least was getting married.</p>
<p>But should teens really have children?  Do we run into problems when girls aren&#8217;t fully developed?</p>
<p>Definitely things to think about.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.minthegap.com/2007/09/13/please-post-chapter-3/comment-page-1/#comment-76224</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I witnessing the a Jewish girl right now.  She is teaching me to read Hebrew and I'm telling her about Christ.  It's a win-win proposition!  She is fascinated with the concept that I don't believe in sex before marriage.  She says she'd die if she couldn't have sex.  I ask her why she doen't marry her long time boyfriend (who's apparently Pentacoastal!) Her reply is that marriage is all about love anyway.

I pointed out to her that the reason she cites for not marrying her boyfriend is equivilent to saying 'we're basically already married.'  I told her about Jesus and the woman at the well.  I told her that the only difference between her 'marriage' to her boyfriend and a 'proper' marriage is a covenant with God.  If she doesn't believe that God cares whether she is married, then she actually has no reason to marry.  I think she's getting it.

Anyway I've recently been thinking about introducing her to some of the girls I know who have, out of their love for God, remained abstinent since birth and plan to continue to do so until marriage.  I asked her if her parents ever told her that sex outside of marriage was wrong.  No.  They just said that they wouldn't tell her not to have sex because they knew she would do it anyway.  They just told her to have safe sex.  HA!  And this is a Jewish family.  She's scared to come home with a tattoo!

Anyway the point is that these girls were told by their parents that its God's will to remain as virgins until their wedding night.  And they did.  And they didn't die.  But it dispells the myth of 'We know you are going to have sex before you are married, so just be safe about it.'  It actually is possible to stave off sex until marriage.  Not to mention beneficial.

Now, we can talk about the effects of the social marriage slow down, leading people to get married later and later in life, now into their middle ages!  But thats a whole other topic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I witnessing the a Jewish girl right now.  She is teaching me to read Hebrew and I&#8217;m telling her about Christ.  It&#8217;s a win-win proposition!  She is fascinated with the concept that I don&#8217;t believe in sex before marriage.  She says she&#8217;d die if she couldn&#8217;t have sex.  I ask her why she doen&#8217;t marry her long time boyfriend (who&#8217;s apparently Pentacoastal!) Her reply is that marriage is all about love anyway.</p>
<p>I pointed out to her that the reason she cites for not marrying her boyfriend is equivilent to saying &#8216;we&#8217;re basically already married.&#8217;  I told her about Jesus and the woman at the well.  I told her that the only difference between her &#8216;marriage&#8217; to her boyfriend and a &#8216;proper&#8217; marriage is a covenant with God.  If she doesn&#8217;t believe that God cares whether she is married, then she actually has no reason to marry.  I think she&#8217;s getting it.</p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;ve recently been thinking about introducing her to some of the girls I know who have, out of their love for God, remained abstinent since birth and plan to continue to do so until marriage.  I asked her if her parents ever told her that sex outside of marriage was wrong.  No.  They just said that they wouldn&#8217;t tell her not to have sex because they knew she would do it anyway.  They just told her to have safe sex.  HA!  And this is a Jewish family.  She&#8217;s scared to come home with a tattoo!</p>
<p>Anyway the point is that these girls were told by their parents that its God&#8217;s will to remain as virgins until their wedding night.  And they did.  And they didn&#8217;t die.  But it dispells the myth of &#8216;We know you are going to have sex before you are married, so just be safe about it.&#8217;  It actually is possible to stave off sex until marriage.  Not to mention beneficial.</p>
<p>Now, we can talk about the effects of the social marriage slow down, leading people to get married later and later in life, now into their middle ages!  But thats a whole other topic.</p>
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