#Feb2011NCA

This is such a big subject and is about the heart, but I don’t think we should mock other’s choices when they choose clothing they think is modest. If someone wants to wear things that are more “conservative” than you might, don’t make fun of them.

#Feb2011NCA

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That “hand” rule is really interesting, I like the idea of it. I’ve seen the modesty survey before and it was really helpful for me to understand realistically what affected guys, what provoked those thoughts. One surprise was that denim jackets faded at the bust was a stumbling block! I had no idea. But, I still feel that real modesty comes from within, and should be cultivated from within with as much effort as it is displayed on the outside.

i bleve that everyone, MEN AND WOMEN should dress modest. but we have to realize that men and women’s bodies are DIFFERENT. men and women, are both sexual beings, but it is men that are more stimulated by sight. which is y i bleve that a women should dress MORE modestly/covering then men. i bleve that a women should dress in a way that she is safe, where she can do anything, in a way the her body is ALWAYS properly covered AND that her body should b perdomantly covered. 1.if a women is goin to wear skirts/dresses, they SHOULD fall below her knee to cover at least the calf. y??? because her legs should b mostly covered, AND since most people agree that the thighs should ALWAYS be covered, a skirt comming no shorter then the calf, will insure that her thighs are ALWAYS covered, when she sits (becasue skirts rise), moves, go up stairs, bend down, cross her legs, etc. ANYTHING that she is doing, her legs/thighs should b properly covered. (if she chooses to wear pants, wear a dress over them, or a long shirt). 2. sleeves should b no shorter then a inch above the elbow. y??? because your arms should b mostly covered, AND when u raise your arms, move them any kind of way, etc, the sides of chest, underarms, back, etc, will always b coverd. 3. shirts should come no shorter then a inch below the collar bone. y?? becuse a women’s chest should b covered, AND when a women in jumping, shouting, bending, sitting, standing, etc, her chest will properly b covered. 4. and of course clothing should b: long, flowing (not tight) not see-through, modern, fitting to one’s size, not flashy, etc. i bleve these things should b teached to our women, religous or not.

but this is not what is done. i’ll give u a example. in church, who is the most modestly dressed??? think about it. the anwser is the MEN. r u suprised??? well u shouldnt b. think about it. men were suits where the pants come all the way down to the ankle, and the sleeves come all the way down to the risks. then they wear shirts that come all the way up to the neck. and they wear this in EVERY WEATHER. winter when it’s 25 or summer when it’s 95, etc. but women dnt even want to wear a skirt that comes below her knees. and y is this????? i strongly bleve that it is because, this american society has influenced us, the church. people dont preach no more to women that they SHOULD wear long covering clothing, with long sleeves, etc. and because these things r not pushed, and preached with LOVE, they continue to become exstint, which mean that modesty, becomes LESS and LESS important. i heard one man say, when he was looking for a wife, he didnt want a women who wore skirts down to her ankles like the old women did. and THIS MAN IS A PASTOR!!!!!!! im sorry, but that is SAD. y wouldn’t u want a women who choosed to cover her body???(because he’s a man, and wanted to see her body that y!!!!!) and comments like these, being said in our churches, i bleve, continue to help erase modesty. when we SHOULD preach to ALL women, that their bodies are SPECIAL, AND NO, EVERY MAN SHOULD NOT SEE IT!!!!!!!!! HE DOENS’T DESERVE TO, HE IS NOT WORTHY!!!!!!!!!! ONLY YOUR HUSBAND IS!!!!!!! WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THAT MESSAGE!!!!!!!! muslim women hold such a high esteem for themselves and their bodies, that they cover EVERYTHING (some even the eyes) and i sayin to look like that??? no, (even though that is how they dressed in the bible, and it wouldn’t b bad but my point is to have the basics of your body covered. before i close (i kno i talked a lot lol think of your clothing as wrapping paper, and this wrapping paper is covering up a special gift, (which is your body) that only ONE special MAN, has the HONOR of opening ;D

~~GOD BLESS~~

“The Christian rule of chastity must not be confused with the social rule of “modesty” (in one sense of that word); i.e., propriety, or decency. The social rule of propriety lays down how much of the human body should be displayed and what subjects can be referred to, and in what words, according to the customs of a certain social circle. Thus, while the rule of chastity is the same for all Christians at all times, the rule of propriety changes. A girl in the Pacific islands wearing hardly any clothes and a Victorian lady completely covered in clothes might both be equally “modest,” proper or decent, according to the standards of their own societies: and both, for all we could tell by their dress, might be equally chaste (or unchaste).”

I wonder of this is part of what the apostle Peter meant when he said,

“Do not let you adornment be merely outward– arranging the hair, wearing gold, or putting on fine apparel– rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God.” (1 Peter 3:3-4)

ASK HIM!

That’s right! Talk to each other for the sake of Christ and the Church! Get to know each other! Share each other’s burdens! Confess one to another! Stop being so scared to interact with other Christians! Simply trust that God makes all things to work together for those who are in Christ (you) and do as He has already commanded you, FELLOWSHIP WITH ONE ANOTHER!

Dear Lord, let your Church stop beating around the bush of your Word and let us follow your Truth in earnest! Amen!

Arthur, I think that I’ve been quite to the point that modesty is a heart attitude above all things and that clothing is simply the external reflection of that clothing.

I know that you have brother, and I don’t mean to rebuke you on this point at all. I only mean to comment on the particular wording of what I quote an expound upon it. I don’t, in particular, fear that you are mistaken in your understaning of the Truth of the Scriptures, but I want to try and make the Truth clearer, bringing to Light aspects that you may not have specifically addressed. I hope I have not offended you in this.

MInTheGaps Writes:
But what if a woman (or man) wants to be modest in their apparel. Should we tell them to refrain from even discussing it since it’s all about the heart, or should we try to help them navigate what would keep their brothers from stumbling.

OK, but this is my whole point brother! If we see someone focusing on the particulars of what is ‘modest clothing’ and what is not, and we do not try to re-direct them to the spiritual aspect of Christ, then we do them a great dis-service. I know that you would not want to direct someone toward legalism, so I only seek to encourage you to direct people toward a genuine relationship with Christ. Furthermore I seek to encourage any who might be living under the rule of the law to free themselves in Christ. In no way do I mean to undermine your opinion or stance. I only seek to the Truth of the Gospel and the Truth of the Gospel of Christ is this: “God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth.” John 4:24

It is simply not about WHAT YOU WEAR but it is about WHO YOU BELIEVE. If you have to ask the question, “What should I wear to please God?” then you have already missed the point. So to humor a person’s point of view that there is a ‘holy dresscode’, trying to define for them the ‘particulars’ or the ‘applicables’ is to mislead them. Let us not do this, Brother, but let us point to the Truth of the Gospel of Christ instead!

Find Jesus Christ in your heart, LOVE HIM! Do not seek to earn your way into Heaven as the Pharisees, but instead trust in Him who is sent from God Almighty to be sin in your place and pay your penalty. Worship Christ in spirit, not in outward appearance!

MInTheGap,

If this is what you believe then we have no point upon which to argue. I earnestly apologize for anthing I said that may have caused you to think we are at odds, or otherwise caused you to stumble.

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