Comments on: Godly Wife: Do You Dominate Your Husband? http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/ Standing in the Gap in a Society that's Warring with God. Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:17:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: MInTheGap http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-86662 MInTheGap Sun, 05 Dec 2010 01:39:39 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/#comment-86662 Isn't the salient part not the whole "what does urge mean", but "he shall rule over you"? I can see where desire vs. urge comes in, but I think the question is more along the lines of that last phrase. Isn’t the salient part not the whole “what does urge mean”, but “he shall rule over you”? I can see where desire vs. urge comes in, but I think the question is more along the lines of that last phrase.

]]> By: Elexar http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-86650 Elexar Mon, 29 Nov 2010 06:01:35 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/#comment-86650 Hello, great article! Does this translation shed any light on the matter - Its from the JPS Hebrew-English Tanakh, and it reads: 16 And to the woman He said, "I will make most severe your pangs in childbearing; In pain shall you bear children. Yet your urge shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you." Could it mean that she will have pain in childbearing yet (still) her (sexual) urge would be toward him, and (in addition to that) he (Adam) would rule over her? Hello, great article! Does this translation shed any light on the matter – Its from the JPS Hebrew-English Tanakh, and it reads: 16 And to the woman He said, “I will make most severe your pangs in childbearing; In pain shall you bear children. Yet your urge shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”

Could it mean that she will have pain in childbearing yet (still) her (sexual) urge would be toward him, and (in addition to that) he (Adam) would rule over her?

]]> By: MInTheGap http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-77067 MInTheGap Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:33:42 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/#comment-77067 Jeanne, that's the part that's hard for me to figure out, actually. I think "your desire to be toward your husband" is a place indicator rather than an internal/natural thing. Without sin there was no need to have anyone other than God in charge, but with sin someone in the family had to be placed in a role of authority. Paul uses this passage indirectly when he talks about the roles of the sexes-- that God ordained here in Genesis the role of the woman to be under the man's authority. However, due to our sin nature, we have the constant temptation to overrule God's order of things, and one of the strongest desires I've seen in women is to have authority over their husbands. Does that make any sense? Jeanne, that’s the part that’s hard for me to figure out, actually. I think “your desire to be toward your husband” is a place indicator rather than an internal/natural thing. Without sin there was no need to have anyone other than God in charge, but with sin someone in the family had to be placed in a role of authority. Paul uses this passage indirectly when he talks about the roles of the sexes– that God ordained here in Genesis the role of the woman to be under the man’s authority.

However, due to our sin nature, we have the constant temptation to overrule God’s order of things, and one of the strongest desires I’ve seen in women is to have authority over their husbands.

Does that make any sense?

]]> By: Jeanne http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-77050 Jeanne Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:36:16 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/#comment-77050 I have searched for some time to uncover the meaning of this curse upon the woman pronounced in Genesis. Though I fully agree that women tend to desire control, and domination,and it is certainly a curse, still I can find no verification that the word "desire" means anything other than literally what it says, "to long after." This would be a blessing, for women to truly desire their husbands (not their huband's authority). Has anyone uncovered any references or details from the Hebrew that this verse means she would desire to dominate her husband? If so, please share as I cannot extrapolate meaning that is not supported in the Word. I have searched for some time to uncover the meaning of this curse upon the woman pronounced in Genesis. Though I fully agree that women tend to desire control, and domination,and it is certainly a curse, still I can find no verification that the word “desire” means anything other than literally what it says, “to long after.” This would be a blessing, for women to truly desire their husbands (not their huband’s authority). Has anyone uncovered any references or details from the Hebrew that this verse means she would desire to dominate her husband? If so, please share as I cannot extrapolate meaning that is not supported in the Word.

]]> By: Mrs. Meg Logan http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-75632 Mrs. Meg Logan Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:23:20 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/#comment-75632 MIN, apperently I never came back to this thread... but after Charles came by I got an email so I came back to catch up.... After reading your comment, I went back to the post: It would seem strange to me that the curse would be the same as what the Lord had decreed before Eve was even made... Is the word Maschal EVER used to mean "lord it over"? I don't know the answer, but it just seems odd that the husband's lordship would be a curse when it was the order of things from the beginning. Mrs. Meg Logan MIN, apperently I never came back to this thread… but after Charles came by I got an email so I came back to catch up….

After reading your comment, I went back to the post: It would seem strange to me that the curse would be the same as what the Lord had decreed before Eve was even made…

Is the word Maschal EVER used to mean “lord it over”? I don’t know the answer, but it just seems odd that the husband’s lordship would be a curse when it was the order of things from the beginning.

Mrs. Meg Logan

]]> By: Charles http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-75630 Charles Wed, 15 Aug 2007 19:58:47 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/#comment-75630 if you were to look at the scriputres before GOD even made the woman he said that she would be help mate for Adam. that means that for someone to be anothers helper they would be submissive to the one that they are helping. think about it, it is not very often that the helper runs the job but takes the orders. KJV Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. if you were to look at the scriputres before GOD even made the woman he said that she would be help mate for Adam. that means that for someone to be anothers helper they would be submissive to the one that they are helping. think about it, it is not very often that the helper runs the job but takes the orders.

KJV
Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

]]> By: MInTheGap http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-68781 MInTheGap Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:26:11 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/#comment-68781 Meg, the word for rule over is <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?book=Gen&chapter=3&verse=16&strongs=04910&page=">mashal {maw-shal'}</a> which seems to me to be more "have the rule over" than "to lord it over her." In context, <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen045.html#8">Joseph was the ruler over all Egypt (same word)</a>, but he did not lord it over anyone. It seems consistent to say that the husband is to be the leader by God's decree-- and this carries forth into the New Testament with Paul basing the leadership in the home off of Genesis. There needed to be an order to the family because of sin-- it could no longer be in harmony. <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?book=Gen&chapter=3&verse=16&strongs=08669&page=">t@shuwqah {tesh-oo-kaw'}</a> is a little harder to decipher. I'm afraid comparing the other uses isn't that helpful. The other other reference is in the Song of Solomon: <blockquote>I <i>am</i> my beloved's, and his desire <i>is</i> toward me. - <a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Sgs/Sgs007.html#10">Sgs 7:10</a></blockquote> It certainly means that the wife was to long for her husband (and I have seen many women who long for a husband, so I can agree with this) but I don't know that it's incorrect to say that this verse does not teach that women would have a tendency to try to dominate their husbands. My thoughts are that if there's a natural order to things, our sinful nature exerting self will have the tendency to do the opposite. If God said that it was the man's place to have the authority, there's a reason He said it-- in this case, because the woman would not naturally let that be. Meg, the word for rule over is mashal {maw-shal’} which seems to me to be more “have the rule over” than “to lord it over her.” In context, Joseph was the ruler over all Egypt (same word), but he did not lord it over anyone. It seems consistent to say that the husband is to be the leader by God’s decree– and this carries forth into the New Testament with Paul basing the leadership in the home off of Genesis. There needed to be an order to the family because of sin– it could no longer be in harmony.

t@shuwqah {tesh-oo-kaw’} is a little harder to decipher. I’m afraid comparing the other uses isn’t that helpful. The other other reference is in the Song of Solomon:

I am my beloved’s, and his desire is toward me. – Sgs 7:10

It certainly means that the wife was to long for her husband (and I have seen many women who long for a husband, so I can agree with this) but I don’t know that it’s incorrect to say that this verse does not teach that women would have a tendency to try to dominate their husbands.

My thoughts are that if there’s a natural order to things, our sinful nature exerting self will have the tendency to do the opposite. If God said that it was the man’s place to have the authority, there’s a reason He said it– in this case, because the woman would not naturally let that be.

]]> By: Mrs. Meg Logan http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-68775 Mrs. Meg Logan Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:34:27 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/#comment-68775 Mary, just a note, the woman didnt blame the man, she blamed the serpent. MIN, I have always read that verse to mean "He shall lord it over her" not just be her boss. I would like to look up that word "rule" in Strong's and see what the strength of the word is in this case. I also find it interesting that the Lord cursed her with sorrow in childbirth AND INCREASED conception! So that she would have more and more babies and it would be hard for her. "thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." I agree that women try to dominate their husbands, but I am not thoroughly convinced that this is what the verse says. Her desire is for her husband... what does that mean? I thought it meant she would pine after him and long for him to cherish her, but that he would rule over her, and lord it over her instead. Meg Mary, just a note, the woman didnt blame the man, she blamed the serpent.

MIN,

I have always read that verse to mean “He shall lord it over her” not just be her boss. I would like to look up that word “rule” in Strong’s and see what the strength of the word is in this case. I also find it interesting that the Lord cursed her with sorrow in childbirth AND INCREASED conception! So that she would have more and more babies and it would be hard for her.

“thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”

I agree that women try to dominate their husbands, but I am not thoroughly convinced that this is what the verse says. Her desire is for her husband… what does that mean? I thought it meant she would pine after him and long for him to cherish her, but that he would rule over her, and lord it over her instead.

Meg

]]> By: Mary http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/comment-page-1/#comment-68758 Mary Tue, 10 Apr 2007 14:25:27 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/2007/04/10/godly-wife-do-you-dominate-your-husband/#comment-68758 You know, I've thought about Eve's tendency to "convince" her husband, and to "blame" him, but not about her tendency to dominate being a weakness in general for women. Sure, I know it is, from the feminism movement, but this was interesting. Thanks, MIn. I don't want to be a domineering woman! :blink: You know, I’ve thought about Eve’s tendency to “convince” her husband, and to “blame” him, but not about her tendency to dominate being a weakness in general for women. Sure, I know it is, from the feminism movement, but this was interesting.

Thanks, MIn. I don’t want to be a domineering woman! :blink:

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