My pastor told a story yesterday of a woman who had an abortion, and had to go back in because she was bleeding to death. The nurse (despite the woman’s protest) put on the chart of what was wrong with her “bleeding due to surgical procedure.” We don’t even have a good record of just how bad the problem is.

Stephen

What you describe above sounds even more barbaric. Do you have a source about the partially birthed abortions?

Whilst the debate on abortion in the US seems to polarize around pro-choice and pro-life, I think that in the UK at least, many people take a middle view.

Clearly there are very many who agree with the Christian/religious viewpoint about life beginning at conception, and thus abortion being murder at any point beyond that. There are also a few who argue for abortion on demand up until birth (usually for reasons of political conformity IMHO!)

But in discussion with people I have found many hold a view somewhere in the middle. They see the arguments for the woman’s right to choose what she does with her body (although perhaps ignoring that she already chose!), and they see that there is no real difference between killing a child just before it is born and killing it just after, and so they rationalise the point in terms of the level of development (particularly brain development).

Thus there is no call here to allow abortion on demand beyond 22 weeks, but similarly no consensus that abortion should be outlawed entirely.

Clearly I disagree, but the debate becomes more rational if people are willing to reasonably consider both sides of the argument (even though that doesn’t always mean we side with the middle ground!)

There is a famous killer dr in Kansas named Tiller who is one of the only ones in America that performs the partial birth abortion. According to KS Law, he isn’t supposed to perform them after 22 weeks (except in the case of health, and that’s a big loophole that abortionists abuse all the time), but according to KS’ former Attorney General, Tiller did it all the time and got away with it. World Net Daily recently wrote about the injustice of KS politics and Tiller.

Abortion is an ever growing monster that will probably expand even to the killing of children once born. Parents of colicky infants that can’t take it anymore will probably have the option of “quietly getting rid of their problem”. Honestly, in today’s culture, children are disposable. Once you let a little sin in…such as allowing abortion in order to save a mother’s life, or whatever you think is a “good reason”, you can expect to see it continue to morph into something more and more acceptable by society.

Whilst this still allows far too many abortions, I don’t think something like what is described above could occur in the UK. Is there no such safegaurd in the US?

MIn, great contrast above…with the warnings dr’s give about everything but abortions. It just goes to show that they must feel shame in the procedure. Sure they’ve been hardened to it, but how many abortions did they perform before they went numb to what they’re doing? I think it must be fairly often that a baby survives an abortion…it would take a highly unfeeling person to shove it in a bag and leave it to die. What deception to value a woman’s choice over that helpless life in need.

More than anything though, I don’t believe that this is really an issue of misinformation, not truly. So many people just view children as the “end of their life”, something traumatic that will ruin everything. Until we help cultivate a culture that takes joy in children, there will be many more abortions. So many people don’t want their lives interrupted. Others simply need the church to BE the CHURCH, because they are afraid that they can’t even feed this new life.

Oy. I could probably talk about all of this stuff for ages, I feel so strongly about it. As a mother who has lost two young sons because of premature birth, I just can’t see abortion as anything but murder, with a capital “M”. Sometimes I wish that some of these women can witness that, watching a woman grieving over her tiny, perfect child- yet too young to live outside the womb. I’d love for them to see the perfect turn of a nose, or to see those long and beautiful little fingers that will never hold a mama’s thumb. Maybe in seeing grief over the death of one so young, maybe their hearts would be prickled, and they would see how wrong it is to do such a thing on purpose.

I don’t know… *shrugs* I just find it painful that there are so many people who would love to have more children, but can’t- and yet there are people who can’t be so troubled to even bother to give up their babies to those who would love them whole-heartedly. It just makes no sense to me that killing seems like a solution to anyone…

How do they call it? Human rights? Women lib? Or maybe, maybe we should call it MURDER?