Comments on: The Birth Control Paradox http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/ Standing in the Gap in a Society that's Warring with God. Wed, 25 Jan 2012 19:17:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Karl http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1329 Karl Wed, 06 Sep 2006 22:35:10 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/?p=736#comment-1329 I meant that saying diaphragms were a good option seems to be missing the point. Diaphragms are only a (possibly) less bad option. Although I will concede that diaphragms do not "take" life per se, only prevent it. I meant that saying diaphragms were a good option seems to be missing the point. Diaphragms are only a (possibly) less bad option. Although I will concede that diaphragms do not “take” life per se, only prevent it.

]]> By: Mrs. Meg Logan http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1326 Mrs. Meg Logan Wed, 06 Sep 2006 20:49:46 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/?p=736#comment-1326 Karl, Im not missing the point, if you read all of my comments you will see that you and I see eye to eye on this issue... I was merely commenting on MIN;s comment there... I think you were speaking to me? Anyway... peace, Mrs Meg Logan Karl, Im not missing the point, if you read all of my comments you will see that you and I see eye to eye on this issue… I was merely commenting on MIN;s comment there…

I think you were speaking to me?

Anyway…

peace,
Mrs Meg Logan

]]> By: Karl http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1323 Karl Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:58:03 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/?p=736#comment-1323 I think you're missing the point. Regardless of whether you use one form or another, you are still making a choice that (I now believe) should only be in God's hands. Whether or not you can trust God with that decision may be something you don't want to contemplate, but favoring one form of birth control over another is arguing over degrees of sin (i.e., failure to trust God in everything). I don't think that is particularly beneficial. I think you’re missing the point. Regardless of whether you use one form or another, you are still making a choice that (I now believe) should only be in God’s hands. Whether or not you can trust God with that decision may be something you don’t want to contemplate, but favoring one form of birth control over another is arguing over degrees of sin (i.e., failure to trust God in everything). I don’t think that is particularly beneficial.

]]> By: Mrs. Meg Logan http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1322 Mrs. Meg Logan Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:39:34 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/?p=736#comment-1322 Diaghrams are a good option. (oh good grief i cant spell) Diaghrams are a good option. (oh good grief i cant spell)

]]> By: MInTheGap http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1320 MInTheGap Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:29:00 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/?p=736#comment-1320 I'm totally with you there, Karl. There aren't many methods of birth control out there that do not end in the taking of life. I’m totally with you there, Karl.

There aren’t many methods of birth control out there that do not end in the taking of life.

]]> By: Karl http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1319 Karl Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:26:04 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/?p=736#comment-1319 Right. That was his point. But he argued it from the standpoint that all manipulation of life is wrong because God created man in his image. Therefore, it is a sin against God himself to kill another human, which is why God decreed death for murderers in Genesis 3. Since many methods of birth control destroy a fetus, as you outline in your post, this too would be a manipulation of the life that God ordained. Right. That was his point. But he argued it from the standpoint that all manipulation of life is wrong because God created man in his image. Therefore, it is a sin against God himself to kill another human, which is why God decreed death for murderers in Genesis 3. Since many methods of birth control destroy a fetus, as you outline in your post, this too would be a manipulation of the life that God ordained.

]]> By: MInTheGap http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1318 MInTheGap Wed, 06 Sep 2006 17:11:28 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/?p=736#comment-1318 I would figure that IVF would have other problems: Mainly, the fact that multiple embryos (humans) would have been created, some slated for death. Why are we creating people to kill them? I would figure that IVF would have other problems: Mainly, the fact that multiple embryos (humans) would have been created, some slated for death. Why are we creating people to kill them?

]]> By: Karl http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1317 Karl Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:58:08 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/?p=736#comment-1317 I blogged about a similar topic a couple of weeks ago (http://noneyabusiness.blogspot.com/2006/08/messing-with-life.html). The pastor of the church we are attending basically said that humans manipulating life through IVF was wrong, because God is the author of life. I carried that thought through to its natural conclusion - that birth control is wrong. My wife and I have four children (ages 7, 6, 4, and 3) and after she had a miscarriage following the last child, we both decided for me to have a vasectomy. Now, two years later, we both feel like we made a selfish, sinful decision. It is amazing though how people think we were crazy for having four kids to start with, and how many total strangers think they have to comment whenever we go anywhere, even in churches we have visited. I blogged about a similar topic a couple of weeks ago (http://noneyabusiness.blogspot.....-life.html). The pastor of the church we are attending basically said that humans manipulating life through IVF was wrong, because God is the author of life. I carried that thought through to its natural conclusion – that birth control is wrong. My wife and I have four children (ages 7, 6, 4, and 3) and after she had a miscarriage following the last child, we both decided for me to have a vasectomy. Now, two years later, we both feel like we made a selfish, sinful decision. It is amazing though how people think we were crazy for having four kids to start with, and how many total strangers think they have to comment whenever we go anywhere, even in churches we have visited.

]]> By: Mrs. Meg Logan http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1275 Mrs. Meg Logan Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:52:41 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/?p=736#comment-1275 Oh.. regarding continuing without a mother, people have been doing that for generations, and God has redeemed the loss for those who love Him. And abstinence in marraige is about prayer not reproduction. I cant find any scripture that condones preventing children... especially in marraige. and the only reason i see for abstaining is from Paul when he says to be apart for a season of prayer but then to rejoin. And of course intercourse is not only for reproduction, just read Song of Solomon. Oh.. regarding continuing without a mother, people have been doing that for generations, and God has redeemed the loss for those who love Him.

And abstinence in marraige is about prayer not reproduction. I cant find any scripture that condones preventing children… especially in marraige. and the only reason i see for abstaining is from Paul when he says to be apart for a season of prayer but then to rejoin.

And of course intercourse is not only for reproduction, just read Song of Solomon.

]]> By: Mrs. Meg Logan http://www.minthegap.com/2006/09/04/the-birth-control-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1274 Mrs. Meg Logan Tue, 05 Sep 2006 20:50:16 +0000 http://www.minthegap.com/?p=736#comment-1274 1. I think that according to Romans 14 we are not to judge others if they are too weak to rely on the Lord for children... But as individuals we ought to be striving for that sort of faith. 2. This is true, and I have NO IDEA where that line is. I do know we are not to tempt God. I think if you are told you will die you ought to PRAY, because God will answer faithfully, and if He says to continue without prevention, then the doctors might be wrong! (they are all the time)and if He says to prevent... well then i guess you ought to obey! But, I would wonder, if God truly opens and closes the womb, why would He bless you with a baby if you were going to die, unless that were His will. (Bare in mind that I do not possess this sort of faith!) Regarding walkng over NIagara... I think we all can agree that there is no scripture that says take risks, if God particularly asked you to do such a thing, well I would pray that He confirmed it through wise and godly counsel. But there is a limit... I sometimes wonder if we need to prepare for the future with college funds, and retirement funds? Because God says not to worry about tomorrow... course there is also the scripture in Proverbs that talks about how the prudent man plans ahead... These are tough questions... I do not claim to know where that line lays. But I am sure there is an answer, even if it is different for each individual before their God. Just like Romans 14. Mrs. Meg Logan 1. I think that according to Romans 14 we are not to judge others if they are too weak to rely on the Lord for children… But as individuals we ought to be striving for that sort of faith.

2. This is true, and I have NO IDEA where that line is. I do know we are not to tempt God. I think if you are told you will die you ought to PRAY, because God will answer faithfully, and if He says to continue without prevention, then the doctors might be wrong! (they are all the time)and if He says to prevent… well then i guess you ought to obey! But, I would wonder, if God truly opens and closes the womb, why would He bless you with a baby if you were going to die, unless that were His will. (Bare in mind that I do not possess this sort of faith!) Regarding walkng over NIagara… I think we all can agree that there is no scripture that says take risks, if God particularly asked you to do such a thing, well I would pray that He confirmed it through wise and godly counsel. But there is a limit… I sometimes wonder if we need to prepare for the future with college funds, and retirement funds? Because God says not to worry about tomorrow… course there is also the scripture in Proverbs that talks about how the prudent man plans ahead…

These are tough questions… I do not claim to know where that line lays. But I am sure there is an answer, even if it is different for each individual before their God. Just like Romans 14.

Mrs. Meg Logan

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