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	<title>Comments on: Manipulative House Guests</title>
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	<description>Standing in the Gap in a Society that's Warring with God.</description>
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		<title>By: Aimee</title>
		<link>http://www.minthegap.com/2004/09/10/manipulative-house-guests/comment-page-1/#comment-2380</link>
		<dc:creator>Aimee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What i am saying is this: we cannot ignore people or relationships simply because they're not christian. I know what it's like to be shunned because you're not the "christian" that they think you should be. Christ was friends with everyone, remember that too. It seems she's immature and rebellious, which means she's going to do as she wills. Modeling christianity is more than just going to church or reading your bible. it's much much more than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What i am saying is this: we cannot ignore people or relationships simply because they&#8217;re not christian. I know what it&#8217;s like to be shunned because you&#8217;re not the &#8220;christian&#8221; that they think you should be. Christ was friends with everyone, remember that too. It seems she&#8217;s immature and rebellious, which means she&#8217;s going to do as she wills. Modeling christianity is more than just going to church or reading your bible. it&#8217;s much much more than that.</p>
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		<title>By: MInTheGap</title>
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		<dc:creator>MInTheGap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aimee, I don't think it's a question of can you associate with unbelievers as much as it is a question of whether you should be their best friends. Psalm 1 talks a lot about how a godly person doesn't not keep company with unbelievers.

The real question to be asked is that if Christ said "to expect persecution because they persecuted me" if you can still be the best of friends with unbelievers, what does that say about your faith and your walk with Christ? The other question is who is going to model Christianity better, the proclaimed atheist or the Christian?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aimee, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a question of can you associate with unbelievers as much as it is a question of whether you should be their best friends. Psalm 1 talks a lot about how a godly person doesn&#8217;t not keep company with unbelievers.</p>
<p>The real question to be asked is that if Christ said &#8220;to expect persecution because they persecuted me&#8221; if you can still be the best of friends with unbelievers, what does that say about your faith and your walk with Christ? The other question is who is going to model Christianity better, the proclaimed atheist or the Christian?</p>
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		<title>By: Aimee</title>
		<link>http://www.minthegap.com/2004/09/10/manipulative-house-guests/comment-page-1/#comment-2378</link>
		<dc:creator>Aimee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All people have a sense of entitlement; that is the calling card of the flesh. The girl in question appears to be rather self involved, immature, and that she feels entitled. She has proven that she speaks out of both sides of her mouth and is on some level manipulative. However, if she's never received such kindness, she will not know what to do with it. So she is rebellious with your family's generosity because she isn't sure how to handle things. Also, her hanging out with whomever she was told not to... that is a live wire indeed. I understand that she wouldn't understand that hanging out with the old crowd may shade her relationship with Christ. She saw the refusal of her friends to visit the house as a rejection of her. Your parents certainly have the right to lay down the rules, she's most likely hurt and resentful because what she views as okay, isn't okay in that house. Your parents also have the right to ask her to leave whenever they like and should make sure that she's actually telling the truth about the appartment. Her parents should be contacted as well. If she can move back there, she should. The homosexuality issue... it's true that the bible says it's wrong, and i certainly don't advocate that lifestyle. However, Christ wouldn't negilict them, nor would he refuse to be in aquantence with them. We must remember that he spent time with the poor, hookers, laywers, tax collectors, the sick, the dirty, and most of all- the average joe. He called the overly religious vipers and consistantly rebuked them for their attitudes. I am NOT saying that you or your family have behaved in any wrong way; i have been taken in by a couple of familes and know how generous it is to share with someone. All that to say, if we don't spend time with the beggars, the refused populace, the people that the church views as "less than until you join us", how are we to minister to the world? Jesus came for the sinners and has sent his people to them as well. We should</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All people have a sense of entitlement; that is the calling card of the flesh. The girl in question appears to be rather self involved, immature, and that she feels entitled. She has proven that she speaks out of both sides of her mouth and is on some level manipulative. However, if she&#8217;s never received such kindness, she will not know what to do with it. So she is rebellious with your family&#8217;s generosity because she isn&#8217;t sure how to handle things. Also, her hanging out with whomever she was told not to&#8230; that is a live wire indeed. I understand that she wouldn&#8217;t understand that hanging out with the old crowd may shade her relationship with Christ. She saw the refusal of her friends to visit the house as a rejection of her. Your parents certainly have the right to lay down the rules, she&#8217;s most likely hurt and resentful because what she views as okay, isn&#8217;t okay in that house. Your parents also have the right to ask her to leave whenever they like and should make sure that she&#8217;s actually telling the truth about the appartment. Her parents should be contacted as well. If she can move back there, she should. The homosexuality issue&#8230; it&#8217;s true that the bible says it&#8217;s wrong, and i certainly don&#8217;t advocate that lifestyle. However, Christ wouldn&#8217;t negilict them, nor would he refuse to be in aquantence with them. We must remember that he spent time with the poor, hookers, laywers, tax collectors, the sick, the dirty, and most of all- the average joe. He called the overly religious vipers and consistantly rebuked them for their attitudes. I am NOT saying that you or your family have behaved in any wrong way; i have been taken in by a couple of familes and know how generous it is to share with someone. All that to say, if we don&#8217;t spend time with the beggars, the refused populace, the people that the church views as &#8220;less than until you join us&#8221;, how are we to minister to the world? Jesus came for the sinners and has sent his people to them as well. We should</p>
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		<title>By: MInTheGap</title>
		<link>http://www.minthegap.com/2004/09/10/manipulative-house-guests/comment-page-1/#comment-2377</link>
		<dc:creator>MInTheGap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jocelyn, thanks for your input. I may have mischaracterized all of their problems as being homosexual, and made the mistake that some of these friends have made. I believe that my parents point was more along the lines of having for best friends people that would work against her faith instead of working towards it. These people that happened to be homosexual are also atheist and not as supportive of her faith as someone who shares it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jocelyn, thanks for your input. I may have mischaracterized all of their problems as being homosexual, and made the mistake that some of these friends have made. I believe that my parents point was more along the lines of having for best friends people that would work against her faith instead of working towards it. These people that happened to be homosexual are also atheist and not as supportive of her faith as someone who shares it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jocelyn from Bravenet</title>
		<link>http://www.minthegap.com/2004/09/10/manipulative-house-guests/comment-page-1/#comment-2376</link>
		<dc:creator>Jocelyn from Bravenet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way that people react to certain things greatly depend on their upbringing. A lot of people can't see what all the other persons are doing for them and thus they won't acknowledge it.

I know that I would be slightly offended if someone told me not to hang out with friends because of their sexual preference; however, I can understand your parent saying that since the person you're referring to is now attending church.

Some people see life through a window, others see it through milk -- one's clear, the other is opaque.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way that people react to certain things greatly depend on their upbringing. A lot of people can&#8217;t see what all the other persons are doing for them and thus they won&#8217;t acknowledge it.</p>
<p>I know that I would be slightly offended if someone told me not to hang out with friends because of their sexual preference; however, I can understand your parent saying that since the person you&#8217;re referring to is now attending church.</p>
<p>Some people see life through a window, others see it through milk &#8212; one&#8217;s clear, the other is opaque.</p>
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		<title>By: BiPolrFrenzy</title>
		<link>http://www.minthegap.com/2004/09/10/manipulative-house-guests/comment-page-1/#comment-2375</link>
		<dc:creator>BiPolrFrenzy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 02:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MIn, it sounds as if you've accomodated the young woman as much as you can. Gratefulness is abiding the wishes of your host (after all, you are a guest). Also, if she is a believer, she should know that Paul wrote- "bad company corrupts good morals" and take heed!

My mom takes care of troubled girls (and young moms) as well and there have been a fare share of girls she's taken care of who are more socially inclined, than grateful or respectful. It's as if they extend kindness to being entitled. For most of the girls, my mom had to give them an ultimatum and if that wasn't met, well then, she did her duty in helping, but if her rules were not honored, then one can only percieve that that person wants to be autonomous. At that point, what can one do, but let them?

I think you all have done a great thing, but the young lady should know what the Word says in her being w/certain company. She should also respect the people who have taken her in. If she decides to cut the ties and speak ill of you all, that's between her and the Lord. Personally, I would not wait until October...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIn, it sounds as if you&#8217;ve accomodated the young woman as much as you can. Gratefulness is abiding the wishes of your host (after all, you are a guest). Also, if she is a believer, she should know that Paul wrote- &#8220;bad company corrupts good morals&#8221; and take heed!</p>
<p>My mom takes care of troubled girls (and young moms) as well and there have been a fare share of girls she&#8217;s taken care of who are more socially inclined, than grateful or respectful. It&#8217;s as if they extend kindness to being entitled. For most of the girls, my mom had to give them an ultimatum and if that wasn&#8217;t met, well then, she did her duty in helping, but if her rules were not honored, then one can only percieve that that person wants to be autonomous. At that point, what can one do, but let them?</p>
<p>I think you all have done a great thing, but the young lady should know what the Word says in her being w/certain company. She should also respect the people who have taken her in. If she decides to cut the ties and speak ill of you all, that&#8217;s between her and the Lord. Personally, I would not wait until October&#8230;</p>
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